President Bush leaves all the children behind.

Reality is, the government taxes everything not just cigarettes and booze.

So that makes it all ok then? Do you want to get into a philosophical debate about taxes themselves? Do I need to show you how all taxes are a form of theft?

You are also NOT gonna turn this into a debate on the war, for one thing I oppose the handling of the war myself, but I hate how liberals turn every discussion into a debate on the war.

I am NOT unbreakable, on this or any other issue. If you have known me around these woods, you would know that I have changed my mind on numerous occasions. I am not averse to changing my mind when the situation and the facts warrant. Are you?

From medicalnewstoday.com since you wanted to bring up the medical establishment being for this bill:

The legislation would allow states to enroll in SCHIP children in families with annual incomes as much as 300% of the federal poverty level, compared with the current 200%, and enroll pregnant women and documented immigrant children.

You think it is right to use a program for poor children to pay for health care for people who make up to 300% of the national poverty level? That is not a program for poor children, that becomes a program for the middle class, and I'm sorry but that's called socialized medicine.

And since you want to quote those in favor of the expansion, then I can quote the President:

Unfortunately, more than 500,000 poor children who are eligible for SCHIP coverage are not enrolled in the program. At the same time, many States are spending SCHIP funds on adults. In fact, based on their own projections for this fiscal year, Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, Michigan, Rhode Island, and New Mexico will spend more SCHIP money on adults than they do on children. And that is not the purpose of the program.

When it comes to SCHIP, we should be guided by a clear principle: Put poor children first. I urge Republicans and Democrats in Congress to support a bill that moves adults off this children's program -- and covers children who do not qualify for Medicaid, but whose families are struggling. If putting poor children first takes a little more than the 20 percent increase I have proposed in my budget for SCHIP, I am willing to work with leaders in Congress to find the additional money.
Ultimately, our Nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage -- not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage. By working together, Republicans and Democrats can strengthen SCHIP, ensure that it reaches the children who need it, and find ways to help more American families get the private health coverage they need.

You see that it's not about poor children and that is what is so sickening about this charade that the Democrats are playing. They want everyone to believe that Bush and anyone against this bill just doesn't care about poor children. How dare we? How heartless could we be? That's the problem. It's about politics and scoring political points that they can use come election time. Yes, most Americans were for this bill,but that's because most people were and are not educated as to what the bill would do, all they know is what Katie Couric tells them on the evening news and that is that this was a bill for poor children and Bush vetoed it. Of course, given those skewed facts, most people who are uneducated on the matter are going to side with the those in favor. But you DO seem to be educated on the matter and yet you still hold fast to your opinions that this bill was a good thing. We are not arguing about the merits of the SCHIP program, everyone agrees it is a good program and should be expanded. Bush even said if it costs more than he projected, he is willing to look at it, but not in the form of this bill which covers adults and the middle class.

I guess some people do. But the backers of this bill didn't even want you to know that it included such things. That's why this bill has nothing to do with poor children and everything to do with socializing medicine for all. Read my article.

Ok, well we can talk about the merits of covering 18-25 olds, but that is not what the SCHIP is for. This program is for poor children, not college age adults from middle class and affluent families. Also, most college age adults ARE already covered on their parents health insurance plans. Most plans continue to cover them while they are in college. My younger sister is a Junior down at the University of South Florida, she is still covered under my parents plan.